Haha wow now the e3d nozzles and hot ends which are know as being one of the best on the market and are installed on thousands of printers are bad too huh? Obviously the only extruder made right are the cheap chinese. You would think that of all the m2's and people using e3d's Who are getting fantastic results but you cant should tell you something. And....everyone on the forum did try and help you. You just dont want to hear what they had to say. You would rather come troll the board , change your story over and over and start arguments. I think thats really the true objective here. Please take insta up on his offer because no matter what you will never be satisfied. This thread is getting out of hand and going down hill. I am done posting in it.
I apologize to everyone for the short fuse. being a small business owner myself i just have no patience for people like this.
Problems with PRE-echo on models
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DenysNazarenko
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Re: Problems with PRE-echo on models
Why you don't offer this 2 days ago or a week when I publish about the printer problem?insta wrote:Offer still stands to buy your printer.
Now I know how to fix the problem and will fix the problem. Since we spent lot of time with this printer and spent lot of money this printer for me like a son.
So I don't see the reason to sell it. btw it's a good printer with terrible nozzles.
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DenysNazarenko
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Re: Problems with PRE-echo on models
Actually I also have a small business this why I post the evidence from the beginning of this discussion and also I try to solve the problem and I solve it. Now after my father fix your "super" nozzles I can print high quality models. you can stay with your e3d nozzles.jimc wrote:Haha wow now the e3d nozzles and hot ends which are know as being one of the best on the market and are installed on thousands of printers are bad too huh? Obviously the only extruder made right are the cheap chinese. You would think that of all the m2's and people using e3d's Who are getting fantastic results but you cant should tell you something. And....everyone on the forum did try and help you. You just dont want to hear what they had to say. You would rather come troll the board , change your story over and over and start arguments. I think thats really the true objective here. Please take insta up on his offer because no matter what you will never be satisfied. This thread is getting out of hand and going down hill. I am done posting in it.
I apologize to everyone for the short fuse. being a small business owner myself i just have no patience for people like this.
Both models printed by other people. First printed by M2 printer second with cheap Chinese printer. So we can tell 1000 marketing words but once again I put to your eyes the evidence that M2 nozzle has a problem. And any one on this forum can print this model and check. Since you have cool nozzle you should able to print the model without problems on the first photo. So I wait the evidence not the empty words. (Please include information about nozzle and it's photo. )
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Re: Problems with PRE-echo on models
I wasn't in the market for a printer then. Glad you've got it running now.DenysNazarenko wrote:Why you don't offer this 2 days ago or a week when I publish about the printer problem?insta wrote:Offer still stands to buy your printer.
Now I know how to fix the problem and will fix the problem. Since we spent lot of time with this printer and spent lot of money this printer for me like a son.
So I don't see the reason to sell it. btw it's a good printer with terrible nozzles.
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Re: Problems with PRE-echo on models
Denis - Josh tried to help you but we were not able to reproduce what you were seeing. If your M2 was in the US we would have asked that you ship it to us so that we could figure out what was going on.
In July you said that your prints at 0.1mm were "perfect" and you asked about settings for printing at 0.01mm. Then in Sept you asked about mounting a laser attachment. Also in Sept you started asking about this issue. I've been going through the support exchange and looking at the photos you sent. All of the photos that you sent show low quality prints. We were not able to reproduce these problems in our prints. I'm not saying that our prints were perfect but the ones you sent appeared to be much lower quality. Photos of prints can also be deceptive because trivial imperfections can get exaggerated. If we assemble and test an M2 and there is a problem in the field then we have a benchmark since the machine was tested. Kits, by definition, can't be tested before they are shipped. When a problem like this occurs with a kit it can be very challenging to figure out what is happening. So, please post a photo of the best print of this object that you've made on your M2.
If the nozzle is the problem then we will have new nozzles made and I will happily send you ten extruders and a huge thank you. We want you to be happy with your M2. Your 1-star post, however, is unjustified and unappreciated.
Rick
In July you said that your prints at 0.1mm were "perfect" and you asked about settings for printing at 0.01mm. Then in Sept you asked about mounting a laser attachment. Also in Sept you started asking about this issue. I've been going through the support exchange and looking at the photos you sent. All of the photos that you sent show low quality prints. We were not able to reproduce these problems in our prints. I'm not saying that our prints were perfect but the ones you sent appeared to be much lower quality. Photos of prints can also be deceptive because trivial imperfections can get exaggerated. If we assemble and test an M2 and there is a problem in the field then we have a benchmark since the machine was tested. Kits, by definition, can't be tested before they are shipped. When a problem like this occurs with a kit it can be very challenging to figure out what is happening. So, please post a photo of the best print of this object that you've made on your M2.
If the nozzle is the problem then we will have new nozzles made and I will happily send you ten extruders and a huge thank you. We want you to be happy with your M2. Your 1-star post, however, is unjustified and unappreciated.
Rick
Re: Problems with PRE-echo on models
Hello Denys,
I think we would all like to solve the ripple problem, if it's solvable.
You have shown the same piece printed by another printer that doesn't have the ripple. But other than calling it a "cheap Chinese printer", you haven't said what it is, exactly. I know that the Afinia is a reasonably sturdy Chinese-made machine; here it runs slightly cheaper than the M2 but I wouldn't call it "cheap". Is that what you are using? It would help us to know what printer it is so we can know what differences there are other than the nozzle. You printed that object in a white filament, so there is a difference in filament, difference in all the mechanical parts, possibly different firmware, possibly different slicer, possibly different driver with different settings for speed and acceleration. Almost nothing can be directly compared (at least not without specifying what all the parameters are).
When you are able to get a new hot-end attached to the M2, you will have a better comparison between nozzles. Please pardon us for being skeptical about the nozzle. Several of us have used the M2 with different hot-ends, including the E3Dv6 which has a very small nozzle with a much narrower flat area than MakerGear's. I have had experience printing with both the MakerGear hot-ends and the E3Dv6, and they both print with very similar results on the M2. Please send a picture once you get a new hot-end mounted on the M2. Of course I have my opinion about what the result will be, but I am always open to be persuaded otherwise, if the proof is good.
I think we would all like to solve the ripple problem, if it's solvable.
You have shown the same piece printed by another printer that doesn't have the ripple. But other than calling it a "cheap Chinese printer", you haven't said what it is, exactly. I know that the Afinia is a reasonably sturdy Chinese-made machine; here it runs slightly cheaper than the M2 but I wouldn't call it "cheap". Is that what you are using? It would help us to know what printer it is so we can know what differences there are other than the nozzle. You printed that object in a white filament, so there is a difference in filament, difference in all the mechanical parts, possibly different firmware, possibly different slicer, possibly different driver with different settings for speed and acceleration. Almost nothing can be directly compared (at least not without specifying what all the parameters are).
When you are able to get a new hot-end attached to the M2, you will have a better comparison between nozzles. Please pardon us for being skeptical about the nozzle. Several of us have used the M2 with different hot-ends, including the E3Dv6 which has a very small nozzle with a much narrower flat area than MakerGear's. I have had experience printing with both the MakerGear hot-ends and the E3Dv6, and they both print with very similar results on the M2. Please send a picture once you get a new hot-end mounted on the M2. Of course I have my opinion about what the result will be, but I am always open to be persuaded otherwise, if the proof is good.
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DenysNazarenko
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Re: Problems with PRE-echo on models
I always try to check my conclusions and try don't allow to my ego make me blind. This way I put the Jim photo(not my) on Amazon. Since on the forum you can see that every who print the sample has the same problem. As I think Jim located in the USA and you can check the reason of the problem. Also you can ask the customers that purchase assembled printer together with me to print the samples.rpollack wrote:Denis - Josh tried to help you but we were not able to reproduce what you were seeing. If your M2 was in the US we would have asked that you ship it to us so that we could figure out what was going on.
Also you can try reproduce the problem on the printer that you ship to the customers today (we know that your support printer don't has this problem. But I'm not sure that nozzle the same as you sell it to me or to the other customers) or even take the video and show the prof that nozzles that you ship today don't have this problem any more.
I'm delete my review on Amazon. Since I can take your attention. from this moment all problems with nozzle for your customers on your conscience.
Happy holidays.
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DenysNazarenko
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Re: Problems with PRE-echo on models
In this post I put few photos.
On the Raft the default nozzle print. Without raft the same nozzle but fixed by my father. This is how we change z-stoper and how we calibrate the bed level.
On the Raft the default nozzle print. Without raft the same nozzle but fixed by my father. This is how we change z-stoper and how we calibrate the bed level.
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